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RE: [sharechat] Re: TA/FA

From: "jcurtis@q-ed" <>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:32:32 +0100

I believe Stalin eventually had him shot
as his wave theory was a little at odds with how old Joe wanted it to be seen.
-----Original Message-----
From: []On Behalf Of Phyllis Bergquist
Sent: 28 September 2003 23:28
Subject: Re: [sharechat] Re: TA/FA

Ah - yes - Kondratieff - I do believe that's the name.    I went to a mtg on the MTA once (NY) and the cycles were discussed there and also at amtg of SIRE a group that studies cyclic events in every possible situation.    TVM - sorted Senior moment beautifully.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: [sharechat] Re: TA/FA

Was  the Russian "Nicolai Kondratieff " wrore "The long waves in economic Life"
-----Original Message-----
From: []On Behalf Of Phyllis Bergquist
Sent: 28 September 2003 22:54
Subject: Re: [sharechat] Re: TA/FA

Cris and Woody et all
  I spent the weekend studying, listening, learning with Dan Gramza at the Sheraton in Auckland.   Dan is not a self promoting person, deals mainly with Institutional  Traders and this is a weekend we considered to be a privilege.   As a communicator he is just the best.   I did mean to ask him what Fundamental Information he uses but in the enthusiasm of learning I had a Senior Moment!!!!    He simply reads the Candles to great effect.
I know there is a Power beyond us - different people categorise it differently but it certainly exists.   I once listened to Neil Costa Australia - Gann and Tony Plummer of Great Britain - Fibonnacci - exchange views.   The views were very similar.   History repeats itself and there are precursers in World Events in Cycles.   An indicator if you believe nothing else.   Remember the Russian whose name escapes right now who was imprisoned for his 28 year cycle predictions which showed disaster in the future for the Soviets (I am a bit woolly here but this is my general understanding).
I have viewed the charts of many World Indices this weekend.   Something I am not normally privy to.   I realised that through the study of market change shown in Candles (from the Japanese who had a stock mkt 200 years before the West) they were as understandable as our own.   They show the opinions and therefore actions of PEOPLE and we are all the same no matter what corner of the Globe we inhabit or how far from home we are.
Now, I wont rabbit on - I'll just say.    I absolutely enjoy to the fullest your opinions and I think the weekends posts were the best for many a long day.
Cris - you hit the button for me here.
Woody - keep up the good work - I'm turning or learning or whatever it is.   Never was fundamental trader -  I can't understand all the verbiage but I can look at a screen and they are getting better and clearer all the time.    Am taking my vitamins and exercise and developing a contentment which I trust will carry me on for thirty years to enjoy the skills and understanding I'm developing.     I'm going to be a great disappointment to the Pensions dept!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers and the greatest abundance to all    Phyllis.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [sharechat] Re: TA/FA

Woody and Gav,
As all actions cause reactions, could planning of the Sept 11 tragedy (actions) have been followed by a series of reactions which could have triggered indicators?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: [sharechat] Re: TA/FA

Woody, I don't disagree with most of what you say. In my consultancy I work
as a Risk and Emergency Management consultant, and studied disasters and
terrorism a lot. Thats why I took up your original message. I also have a
strong scientific background and have read about chaos theory, taken a paper
on quantum physics at university, and others.

I was one of those kids who always asked 'why?'. The reason I asked you
'why?' was because I couldn't understand how you were linking the sell
signals with events that could not have been predicted - how many people
even considered intentionally flying jet planes into buildings before Sept
11, apart from the CIA and a few others, it hadn't been a realistic option,
as nearly all hijack situations were hostage scenarios, not suicide

I do not question in any way the fact that you received a sell signal. I
would still like to know how you can link that signal to a natural
phenomenon that has no relationship to markets, such that markets can
predict events. Or link it to individual or group actions. I believe that
these linkages can only be created after the event.

There are indicators that can signal to humans and animals that bad events
may soon happen, and you're right in suggesting that we can tune in to
these. Science has advanced humans a long way in predictive technologies. In
the case of storms, a decrease in air pressure is noticeable, and could well
cause animals and residents who understand the weather in a region that they
chould move further inland. Just as now we can model cycles of waves and
storms to estimate storm surges and suggest that coastal communities move
inland for the duration of the storm. But there are clear linkages there.
Storm is directly related to low pressure, humans can detect low pressure,
and make assumptions to move. It is of course even easier now with weather
sattelites. The important thing is that we can clearly link all the pieces
together and understand the relationships.

To reiterate Woody, I agree with much of what you say. I would just like to
understand how the sell signals are linked to the Sept 11 attacks, or how
they predicted the earthquake.

And how does this tie back to investing? Well, I won't use a tool that I
don't understand how it works. So, I have to understand the tools I have
available for investing. You are using a tool that gives you a sell signal,
and I am trying to understand how that sell signal links back to the events
you mentioned.

I just read the Gann Wheel link you provided in your email. I found this
quote in the second to last paragraph on the page.

"Thus, I affirm every class of phenomena, whether in nature or in the
market, must be subject to the universal laws of causation, harmony and

I am looking for the causation link between the sell signal and the events.
At this stage I can't see any.

Cheers Gav

PS Don't worry about the english, you should feel good for speaking multiple
languages. I understand english is one of the more difficult languages to

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> []On Behalf Of fntradingsolutions
> Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2003 00:57
> To:
> Subject: Re: [sharechat] Re: TA/FA
> Not an Earthquake But an event. All major Good and Bad events are known by
> nature long before thay happen.
> All Birds and animals left Darwin in 1974 3 DAYS before Cyclone Tracy hit.
> They did not find one dead Rat in the ruins of the Twin Towers.
> Being born in Indonesia and having lived in Darwin and Cairns Nth
> Qld I have
> been through several Cyclones, earthquakes and floods.
> I can tell you without a lie all animals have long left the region days
> before. Also 3 days before cyclone Tracy hit Darwin all the
> Aboriginals left
> There are signals in Nature that if you are tuned in to recieve you will.
> And all Markets are Natural Phenomina.
> Scientists know this! Read and study Fuzzy logic Theories. Sacred
> geometry,
> Even the very core of Quantum Physics. All study and now believe that all
> things are goverened. and if you wish to study and believe you will find a
> far simpler way of trading than all the research you Guys do. I
> do not care
> whether you believe me but I went short on the the Forex USD/JPY
> two days before the G7 Meeting because my system gave me sell signals. I
> shorted the SPI at 3248 because that was my predicted cycle high and I am
> still in there at 3173 and I know that the Next high will be
> between the 8th
> and 11th of October. I know this and I will trade this. I also
> KNOW that the
> USD/JPY Forex contract bottomed at 110.87.
> and that I will be going long within the next week or so and I
> will ride it
> up to my Predicted High.
> Laugh as you will. But it took me 5 years to learn this I too was as
> skeptical as you. I am trying to help you guys however I will soon give up
> as I have never been in such a narrow minded group of people.

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