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Re: [sharechat] Gold


From: "tonysw" <tonysw@xtra.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:11:41 +1200


Slanging match....why not!
Nick, your statements 'Go here and learn'/ 'Open your eyes people'......no, just another view on economics........don't get on a bender!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2002 22:59 p.m.
Subject: Re: [sharechat] Gold

I don't mean to start a slanging match . . . actually I'm very tempted.
 
The snippet read's like anti-captialist/anti-globalisation propaganda. I was surprised that it took me until the last para to see the word globalization.
 
There are plenty of things I could agree with about the US being far less than perfect, but the links/'causes' between facts are doubtful to say the least eg. 'An overvalued dollar that is now leading to U.S. led trade wars.', I think they'd have the trade wars irrespective of the level of the dollar.
 
The one I liked best was 'equilibrium price, most likely to around $600'. With the cost of mining gold $200 I don't think a $400 profit margin is needed to encourage miners to find more gold. Does demand massively exceed supply and hence such a price rise is necessary to reduce demand?
 
BTW, I don't really know anything about gold, so feel free to let rip. I just like to see a bit of objectivity when it comes to gold.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:05 AM
Subject: [sharechat] Gold

Go here and learn.
 
 
Open your eyes people.  Like Rachel said, it won't happen overnight but it will happen.
 
As an example - the main reason why NZ economy is quite strong at the moment is largely due to Rogernomics.  It takes a while but these things are never short term.
 
The US has MASSIVE fundamental economic problems.  Why are interest rates 1.5%?  I repeat, go here and learn.
 
Here is a snippet.
 
Nk
 
PS Sorry to sound like RIL. IT's late and I'm tired.
 

And so, by dishording gold in this manner, and by propagandizing the largely false notion of enormous productivity gains in America during the 1990's, the Clinton Administration created a phony "Strong Dollar" Policy that conned foreigners and Americans into buying American financial assets at enormously overvalued prices. This resulted in the greatest financial bubble of all times. But the con job worked for Wall Street and for the Clinton Presidency. With booming stock prices he managed to escape removal from office by trial and conviction of impeachment by the Senate.

Because Americans were then and still are largely unaware of the deceit that underpinned the booming 1990's, Clinton was able to claim credit for the good times though in fact he laid the final foundation for the tragic times we are now beginning to encounter. Blame for that will not doubt be doled out to President Bush. The problem is, the rigging of the gold markets led to lower interest rates even as the Fed created more and more money out of thin air. But alas, as was true during the late 1960's and 1970's, foreigners are once again showing signs of the signs of drowning in dollars. Thus the stage appears to be set once again for a foreign led exit from paper money to gold and other tangibles assets starting with real estate. Once again, we can expect the laws of nature to prevail over the lies of our politicians as told by the tell tail signs of dollar debt asphyxiation. The correction this time however, is likely to make that of the 1970's look like child's play because dollar excesses and imbalances are far more excessive.

GOLD RIGGING LEADS TO MAJOR GLOBAL IMBALANCES

Trashing gold not only assisted in inflating the U.S. financial bubble, but it also lead to a number of very significant economic bubbles that threaten to send the global economy into the second Great Depression of the last 100 years.

The current account imbalances continue to worsen year after year after year. Had the gold price been free to rise to its equilibrium price, most likely to around $600, the U.S. would never have experienced the irrational exuberance of the late 1990's that has subsequently led to imbalances like the following:

  • Major domestic debt the likes of which we have not seen since the 1930's and which is far greater in terms of national income.
  • $2.2 TRILLION of debt owed to foreigners, making the U.S. by far the largest debtor nation on earth.
  • The evaporation of trillions of dollars of stock market value leaving Americans ill-prepared for retirement.
  • An overvalued dollar that is now leading to U.S. led trade wars.
  • A housing bubble that will soon lead to personal bankruptcies on top of record bankruptcies already.
  • The demise of basic industry in America (mining, manufacturing and agriculture) without which we will become an impoverished nation as other nations rise in relative terms.
  • A stock market that remains hugely overvalued and still sucking unsuspecting investor money into that rat hole. No doubt trillions more of equity valuations remain to be lost as the existing secular bear market remains in its early stages.

What is most concerning to your editor is the fact that globalizatoin on top of these problems along with huge supply side excesses continues to put downward pressure on the profit margins of American companies at a time when share prices remain extremely inflated. There is in fact no way you can paint a realistic picture of growth in the U.S. economy required to generate profit levels sufficient to justify current equity prices for stocks listed in the major U.S. indexes. At the end of this week, the S&P 500 had at the end of this week an EARNINGS YIELD of only 2.25% (same as last week). Of this yield, about 1.4% is in the form of dividends with the remaining portion in highly suspect retained earnings. In other words, for every $100 you invest in the S&P 500, you get $1.40 in pre-tax cash returns and another 85 cents in "maybe" value. By comparison, if you buy the 10-Year U.S. Treasuries, you get a yield of 5.14% or $5.14 in CASH for every $100 invested plus you get favorable tax treatment from state and local government.

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